Countdown to Infinite Crisis

[Kane]

Hehe, mir fällt gerade auf dass "Gott" im DCU recht planlos alle möglichen Entitäten freisetzt und im Gegenzug ziemlich wenig gebacken bekommt.

"Wir haben ein scheinbar unmögliches Ereignis am Rande der Schöpfung arrangiert; die Allgegenwärtigkeit ist im Augenblick abgelenkt"

Was eigentlich in Widerspruch ist, denn die Allgegenwärtigkeit ist ja allgegenwärtig und sollte weder abzulenken sein (sie ist ja überall), noch hätte ihr die Planung udn Ausführung der Ablenkung entgehen können.

[Spooky]

CRISIS COUNSELING vom 9. Mai:

CRISIS COUNSELING
LAST UPDATE — MAY 9nd, 2005

SUPERMAN #216

* Possessed by the evil entity known as Eclipso in ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN #639, the Man of Steel attacked Captain Marvel!

* The wizard Shazam, knowing Eclipso would not stop unless his host was killed, summoned the Spectre!

* Freed from his human host in GREEN LANTERN: REBIRTH #4, the Spectre dove into Superman, driving Eclipso out of the Man of Steel and back into his gemstone!

* Eclipso's cursed jewel mysteriously appeared in Arkham Asylum... in the cell of the Atom's ex-wife, Jean Loring!


VILLAINS UNITED #1

* Somewhere on the outskirts of Gotham City, Lex Luthor met with his Secret Society of Super-Villains: Black Adam, Calculator, Dr. Psycho, Talia and Deathstroke!

* Over the past few months, the Society — in an effort to pool their resources — recruited many new members, including Mr. Freeze, Cheetah, Black Manta, Gentlemen Ghost, Fadeaway Man, Phobia, Prometheus and Gorilla Grodd!

* Catman boldly refused Talia and Dr. Psycho's invitation... and the Society made an example of him by slaughtering his pride of lions!

* Sent on a mission by the mysterious Mockingbird, a group of six mercenaries — Cheshire, Deadshot, the Fiddler, Parademon, Ragdoll and Scandal — made quick work of some unfortunate H.I.V.E. agents!

* During the fight the Fiddler made a critical error. Mockingbird ordered him executed... and Deadshot quickly complied!

* Impressed with his stand against the Society, Scandal and Deadshot offered Catman a place in their group. Seeking revenge against the Society, Catman accepted.

* Mockingbird told the rebellious mercenaries that they were "The Six... the Chosen," and that if they agreed to ban together and fight Luthor's Society they would be rewarded handsomely... or punished severely if they refused!

This week the action continues in...


JSA #73: A former enemy will be struck down by the Spectre... and a former ally will be seduced by a member of the Society!

RANN - THANAGAR WAR #1: When interstellar Armageddon erupts, Adam Strange seeks Hawkman's help... but whose side will the Winged Warrior take when his adopted home world is involved?

Beware...INFINITE CRISIS is coming! See you next Monday!

[vao]

Infinite Crisis wird von mal zu mal un interessanter, wer ist so doof und kommt auf solche Ideen:
http://www.newsarama.com/forums/show...threadid=35157

[Savre]

Ich würde ja eher sagen wer ist so brilliant und kommt auf solche Ideen.

[flo]

@Vao: Was genau meinst du?

[Hyperion Star]

hatten wir das nicht schon mal bei x-men?

[vao]

@Vao: Was genau meinst du?

dass man während IC ,it allen anderen titeln, ein jahr in die Zukunft springt und dann, das verganene Jahr kurz auf kurz erwähnt, das ging schon damals mit X-Revolution schief und eine Rangehensweise die mir missfällt. Heisst dann auch dass, du schon im Voraus wissen wirst was passiert ist, wer starb.

[Kaine]

Es muss nicht zwangsläufig so schlimm werden, wie bei X-Men. Grundsätzlich finde ich diese Herangehensweise gar nicht so schlecht.

[vao]

Jetzt kommt die Frage ob Nightwing zum neuen JLA Batman wird

[Kaine]

Wenn Didio schon sagt, das Nightwing eine sehr wichtige Rolle spielen wird, öffnet das den Spekulationen natürlich Tür und Tor. Allerdings betont er auch, wie wichtig Superman, Batman und Wonder Woman für das DCU sind, daher glaube ich nicht das sich bei den Dreien an der Figur selber allzuviel ändert.

[flo]

Nightwing war bereits Batman in der Prodigal-Storyline, glaube nicht an eine Wiederholung.

[Savre]

Wenn Didio schon sagt, das Nightwing eine sehr wichtige Rolle spielen wird, öffnet das den Spekulationen natürlich Tür und Tor. Allerdings betont er auch, wie wichtig Superman, Batman und Wonder Woman für das DCU sind, daher glaube ich nicht das sich bei den Dreien an der Figur selber allzuviel ändert.

Man beachte, er sagt "Batman und nicht "Bruce Wayne"
Aber ernsthaft, dass Bruce stirbt halte ich für sehr unwahrscheinlich. Dann aber, selbst Superman is mal gestorben (oder auch nicht, je wie man es sieht).

[vao]

Man beachte, er sagt "Batman und nicht "Bruce Wayne"
Aber ernsthaft, dass Bruce stirbt halte ich für sehr unwahrscheinlich. Dann aber, selbst Superman is mal gestorben (oder auch nicht, je wie man es sieht).

Man hat ja auch 2 Flashs, 4 Green Lanterns, 2 Green Arrows, wieso auch nicht 2 Batmans, Batman(Dick) als öffentliche Person in der JLA und Batman(Bruce) alleine mit Onyx und Selina in Gotham

[Kaine]

ich bezweifel, das so kurz nach dem Film grossartig an Batman/Bruce Wayne rumgespielt wird. Am Umfeld und an diversen anderen Figuren ja, aber nicht an dem Charakter hinter der Maske.

[Savre]

Ich kopiere dan gleich auch mal die letzten Ausgaben von "Crisis Counseling" hier hinein.

16. Mai

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In JSA #73



The Spectre and his new ally Eclipso (who possessed the body of Jean Loring in SUPERMAN #216) attacked the Crimson Avenger... and revealed that their next target was Black Adam!
Black Adam convinced Atom Smasher to rejoin his handpicked squad in his homeland Kahndaq!
Captain Marvel returned to the JSA and — together with Hawkman — told the team that they needed head back to Kahndaq to confront Black Adam!
In RANN - THANAGAR WAR #1

Space adventurer Adam Strange teleported to Earth, seeking the help of Hawkman and Hawkgirl!
Strange told the Winged Warriors that Sh'r Valkyr, a rogue Thanagarian who worshipped a mysterious entity, teleported the planet Rann into the heart of the Polaris System, destabilizing Thanagar's orbit! Fleeing their doomed world, Thanagarians sought refuge on Rann... and quarrels between both races soon flared!
Hoping to calm fears and prevent more violence, our heroes rode a zeta beam to Rann... and arrived in the middle of all-out war!

23. Mai

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In BIRDS OF PREY #82:

Booster Gold asked Oracle for assistance in tracking down the missing Blue Beetle. Barbara Gordon agreed to help... but how effective will she be while suffering a mysterious malady?

In HAWKMAN #40

Seeking help in clearing his delirium-corrupted mind, the Winged Warrior met with his son Hector, the current embodiment of Dr. Fate!
After purging the built-up rage from his "reservoir of memories," Hawkman leapt into battle with a group of foes that haven't been seen since his resurrection!
In MANHUNTER #10

With an assist from Firehawk, Manhunter defeated the Society assassins and took down Shadow Thief!
Seeing that Shadow Thief's powers had evolved, Calculator spared the now comatose villain's life, thinking that he might one day "come in handy" for the Society!
Someone is hunting — and killing — former Manhunters... but who?
In ROBIN #138:

The Boy Wonder questioned the Penguin concerning the open contract on him and Batgirl... but Cobblepot wouldn't squeal on his Society allies!

In SUPERMAN #217:

The incredibly powerful OMAC attacked and went toe-to-toe with the Man of Steel!

In TEEN TITANS #24

Triggered by a code phrase from Lex Luthor, Superboy viciously attacked the Teen Titans, dismantling Cyborg and breaking Robin's arm!
Seeking help, the Titans contacted the Outsiders... who were then shocked to see Indigo transform into Brainiac 8!

30. Mai

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In ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN #640:

The Man of Steel squared off against Ruin, the fiend who had been targeting Superman's friends and family! When he defeated and unmasked his new enemy, Kal-El stared into the face of his friend (and former President of the United States) Pete Ross!

In BATGIRL #64

Contacted by fellow Society member Penguin, Deathstroke turned down a job to assassinate Batgirl... and instead passed the gig to his daughter, Ravager!
The two deadly young women battled across Bludhaven, until Batgirl took advantage of Ravager's weakness in a most extreme manner!
In BATMAN #640

Troubled by the suspected resurrection of Jason Todd (as the new Red Hood), Batman traveled to Metropolis to question someone who had also returned from the dead: Superman!
Back in Gotham City, the Red Hood teamed with Onyx to take down some drug pushers... and then turned on Onyx herself!

In DAY OF VENGEANCE #2

Channeling Eclipso, the Enchantress revealed how the Spectre fell under the evil entity's charms... and how he then took out Dr. Fate and the Phantom Stranger!
Despite personal doubts and misgivings, a group including Ragman, Blue Devil, Nightmaster, Enchantress, Nightshade and Detective Chimp (that's right, Detective Chimp) decided to unite and stand against the Spectre!
The Spirit of Vengeance collided with a fighting mad Captain Marvel!

In DC SPECIAL: THE RETURN OF DONNA TROY #1:

On the planet of New Chronus, Troia, Goddess of the Moon, began to question her role in a war waged by her fellow Titans of Myth — even as she was haunted by visions of a former life as Donna Troy, a Teen Titan!

In THE O.M.A.C. PROJECT #2

Batman told Superman, Booster Gold and Wonder Woman that — in response to the JLA wiping his memory (as revealed in IDENTITY CRISIS) — he created Brother Mach I... and that Blue Beetle (who disappeared while investigating the satellite spy system in COUNTDOWN TO INFINITE CRISIS) was now dead!
After violently stopping a coup, Maxwell Lord discovered that Black Knight Sasha Bordeaux had betrayed him for Batman... and sent not one, but three OMACs to terminate them!
In OUTSIDERS #24

The Outsiders fought their own teammate Indigo, who had revealed that she was actually Brainiac 8!
After barely surviving the battle, the Outsiders regrouped with the Teen Titans... only to be attacked by a battalion of Superman robots!
In an abandoned Cadmus laboratory located three miles under the destroyed LexCorp Towers, Indigo and Suberboy met with their "fathers": Brainiac and Lex Luthor!

[The Question]

Thema Blue Beetle:

Es heißt ja, daß ein Käfer (beetle) als Symbol für Wiedergeburt steht. Vielleicht ist der Tod von Blue Beetle zu Beginn der Crisis ja ähnlich zu sehen, daß am Ende der Crisis vielleicht die Wiedergeburt einer anderen Figur steht.

Warum fällt mir da automatisch Barry Allen ein

[Kaine]

The Crisis also won't see the return of former Flash Barry Allen, who died saving the universe in the original Crisis. Some stories, says Didio, are so strong that undoing them would be a crime. The DCU would be a lesser place without Barry's sacrifice, or the crippling of Barbara at the hands of the Joker.

Und bevor jemand Hal Jordan schreit:

DiDio headed the crowd off by explaining that Hal Jordan's recent return was a different animal entirely. Hal died, but but he never really went away, returning as Parallax, as a time traveling version of himself, and as the Spectre, all wearing a version of his Green Lantern costume, all while supposedly dead.

[äxl]

Some stories, says Didio, are so strong that undoing them would be a crime.

Wieso denn "undoing"? Wurden die Ereignisse um Emerald Twilight, Zero Hour, etc. denn rückgängig gemacht?

version of his Green Lantern costume, all while supposedly dead.

Und Barrys Tod kann auch nur angenommen werden. Er verschwand doch einfach, oder? Nur sein Kostüm blieb übrig, afair.

Nicht dass ich wollte das Wally verschwindet, nur ist Barry kein Massenmörder...

[Kaine]

Wieso denn "undoing"? Wurden die Ereignisse um Emerald Twilight, Zero Hour, etc. denn rückgängig gemacht?



Und Barrys Tod kann auch nur angenommen werden. Er verschwand doch einfach, oder? Nur sein Kostüm blieb übrig, afair.

Nicht dass ich wollte das Wally verschwindet, nur ist Barry kein Massenmörder...

Nein Emerald Twilight und zero Hour wurden nicht rückgängig gemacht und Barry ist nicht gestorben, sondern in die Speedforce aufgegangen.
Trotzdem bleibt, das Didio sagt, das Barry nicht zurückkehren wird...




























zumindest nicht bei Infinite Crisis

[vao]

Es gibt ja schon drei Flashs, in jedem Team einen, solange kein neues freies Team da ist, wird man ihn wohl nicht brauchen

[comicfreak]

In den Outsiders gibt es keinen Flash!

[kevin smith]

dann wären es ja auch 4 flashs

[Savre]

Along those lines, because Tim Drake has stated that he will never take up the Bat mantle, a fan asked if Bruce Wayne died today, who would take over as Batman. Didio said that in the upcoming Infinite Crisis, the issue will be addressed.

Präsentiert ohne Kommentar.

[Hyperion Star]

villeicht wird batman der neue spectre!
und jeder tote superheld wechselt sich dann alle paar jahre ab!

[Fantasticcolor]

Eine Frage zu Vilains United #2

Dort tritt

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Count Vertigo

auf.
Ich dachte, der wäre tot? Oder ist das ein "Neuer"? Oder ein "Wiedererweckter"? Oder habe ich da etwas Falsches in Erinnerung?